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Waddly Hobbins · Feb 15, 2007, 09:22 PM // 21:22

I don't have much to add to this discussion, I am mostly posting in hopes that the more posts that Anet sees, the more likely they are not to introduce a HARD mode...or atleast if there is a hard mode have a totally different title track for it. ADDING ON TO TITLES IS BAD IMO. Case and point being that they are discussing the skill title and making it specific to chapter so you CAN max it.

Titan Chrae · Feb 15, 2007, 09:24 PM // 21:24

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Originally Posted by Gli

Oh, let me think for all of 2 seconds...

Perhaps a 3rd rank is in order then?

My guildhall smells of rich mahogany!

pingu666 · Feb 15, 2007, 09:39 PM // 21:39

protector was the easiest title to max (unless u got money to burn, so then theres wisdom, drunkard, sugar one now)

plus some of the bonuses can be bugged, i had that on ruins of sumara.

hard mode may also ruin the suspense of disbelif or whatever, where u get absorbed into a game/movie/book or whatever.

there are easier nonmax titles to get, trailblazer, some pvp ones, lucky etc.

plus if hard mode requires uve already done mission, then itll half the population for that mission. perfect for the neardead missions where the stoyline splits.

Keithark · Feb 15, 2007, 10:01 PM // 22:01

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Originally Posted by Yagyu_Jyubei

erm.am I the only one but did anyone else notice in the tyrian protector description all 50 missions? I suppose its a bug but 25 new tyrian missions would sure as hell refresh prophecies campaign lol...but it's a glitch IMO

No it is correct..have to do 25 missions 2 times each, one for Prot title and then again on hard for new title

Tempy · Feb 15, 2007, 11:05 PM // 23:05

Hey I have it now...why don't we just strip all the IWAY'ers Rank away from them...Easiest damn way to get rank in PvP (or at least WAS). See how many ppl that pisses off.

Take it back to the way it was. Let people have their titles...just because some think it was TOO EASY to get, they need to shut up because its not easy for everyone.

Perhaps make an elitist title for those that want to do it all in hard mode....hahahahaha and REALLY make it hard.

Sofonisba · Feb 15, 2007, 11:30 PM // 23:30

I read this thread yesterday, when the bug showed. I was kind of worried because I had only gotten the KoaBD a week and a half ago. Ack! But anyway, by the time I actually logged in, they “fixed” it.

One question: If you do Hard Mode for master’s completion on the 3 continents/58 missions, is that 3 more titles toward PKM? Or were my previous prot titles just grandfathered in as max? I guess no one knows yet.

Meanwhile, the other night in Kamadan Gaile said something like, “You asked about maxing sunspear and LB ranks, and also hard mode” yadda yadda “I can tell you they have something to do with one another.”

Which potentially means…

/speculation on

…grinding to a certain S/LB rank before even being able to activate hard mode?

/speculation off

And I hate to make this a title-bashing thread, but… Yes, prot and cartography are in a way the easiest ones to max. But at least you have to actually DO something to get them. I’m sorry to say, but no one sweats over the last 5 mins of a drunkard title, the way a mapper sweats over finding the last .5% of the map, believe me. Doing Grand Court mission over and over and missing by only 2 or 3 seconds a few times, is no fun. Don’t tell me my achievements aren’t kind of a big deal, because to me they were, I put a lot of my limited GW time and effort into them. I deserve my title as is.

Whew. I feel better now.

Smile Like Umean It · Feb 15, 2007, 11:44 PM // 23:44

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Originally Posted by Sofonisba

Which potentially means…

/speculation on

…grinding to a certain S/LB rank before even being able to activate hard mode?

/speculation off

Except anyone without Nightfall (slim to none, right?) won't be able to do it in Tyria or Cantha.

Lawnmower · Feb 16, 2007, 12:11 AM // 00:11

wait... is hard mode on the way or is it not? is there any official confirmation?

does hard mode have perma death?

fenix · Feb 16, 2007, 01:22 AM // 01:22

I cant wait for Hard Mode, it'll be fun doing the Ascalon missions with level 28 Charr (I hope :P).

-Loki- · Feb 16, 2007, 05:00 AM // 05:00

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Originally Posted by Lawnmower

wait... is hard mode on the way or is it not? is there any official confirmation?

Yes, it's on the way. Not only was there a description added in game, there was a bug introduced where it activated 'hard mode' in the protector title tracks.

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Originally Posted by Lawnmower

does hard mode have perma death?

I very, very, very, very much doubt it.

Perynne · Feb 16, 2007, 05:28 AM // 05:28

I'm surprised at the amount of people complaining in this thread. Most don't even seem to read other posts in the thread at all, or even the other thread discussing hard mode (which, by the way, has tons of good info).

I remember at least the other thread having mention of something that Hard mode is completely optional, it won't take away your previous achievements. I don't know if it means you'll still have max for KOABD or not without doing Hard Mode, but hey, titles are only titles and I think KOABD is something you should work hard for. Check out the other thread and actually WAIT for the change to happen before yelling that you don't want it. Who knows, it might actually be fun.

I for one am looking forward to the hard mode. If you don't like it, you don't need to do it.

Chronos the Defiler · Feb 16, 2007, 05:37 AM // 05:37

i am looking forward to it as well...i have almost done everything i wanted to do on 3 of my main chars now....so adding a Hard mode would give something to actually do rather than be bored out of my mind.

I am just hoping that the drop rate for golds etc. increases in Hard Mode.

maybe they should add some Elite Missions to Tyria too :./

jackie · Feb 16, 2007, 07:23 AM // 07:23

It will be interesting to see what changes hardcore mode brings to missions. New objectives perhaps, more difficult mobs (Can't wait Lich in Hell's Precipe

) or maybe unique zone conditions.

If mobs are higher level versions in for example ascalon missions, maybe we'll start to see gold tribal axes & tyrian sickles..

bungusmaximus · Feb 16, 2007, 08:29 AM // 08:29

Raisu palace, lvl 30 Shiro'ken eles, OMG HAXXXXXXXX. I would love something like that. A good reason to get protector of elona and tyria too, work to do

. I finished Raisu in 13 minutes last time I got a guildie through. I like PvE challenges that are actually fun instead of grinding through Urgoz' Warren with a PuG in 4-5 hours. You won't hear me complaining, IMPLEMENT ASAP

-Loki- · Feb 16, 2007, 09:26 AM // 09:26

Hard mode Gate of Madness... I can't wait for the complaints.

Ouchie · Feb 16, 2007, 02:36 PM // 14:36

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Originally Posted by Kakumei

You're kidding, right? Changing the requirements of the easiest goddamn titles to get is hardly "playing god". Ethics don't enter into this.

Easiest? Standing getting drunk seems easier - just more boring - or even the new one eating - think that might be a tad bit easier too - just requires the gold.

At least with Protector people had to actually play the game and I have great respect for the 100% explored too. Finding that last 0.05% can be a real pain

Evilsod · Feb 16, 2007, 04:19 PM // 16:19

I just hope they think Hard Mode through. The chances are whatever they implement will lead to cookie cutter builds. You'll have monks been forced to bring Protective Spirit to avoid insta-gib damage enemies... Minion Masters in every group to counter things like increased mob size... Professions having hard times to get groups because of moronic environment effects (50% Miss chance anyone?).

Tbh Perma Death does sound like a good idea but may be a bit extreme. It would put alot of stress on the monks and make choosing pugs even more tedious. But it would definatly give you a feeling of mastery. Specially after conquering the likes of Eternal Grove, Vizunah Square or Gate of Madness.

Ritual del Fuego · Feb 16, 2007, 05:22 PM // 17:22

This thread cracks me up because we don't really know what A/net's plan is. You have the hard core people saying "if you don't want to have to redo everything in hard mode, you are just lazy and don't deserve KoaBD". And on the other side you have people saying "I deserve the title I earned and they shouldn't take them away you zealot". LOL - well I fell I should share my $.02 since this will affect me too whichever way they decide to go.

I for one am looking forward to finding out what hard mode is. I think it will be good to see it injected into the fray. I'll be the first to admit that with the hero system and new skills available, getting bonus in Tyria and Cantha is a bit easier now. Having an option to run in hard mode will make it that much better for experienced gamers. I don't, however, think that it should be added on to existing titles, especially ones that have been around for a long time.

Personally, I have protector titles here and there, but on my derv I have 4 maxed titles (Got Tyria protector last night) and 99.9% of my cartographer title for Cantha which I should finish tonight. I went after KoaBD title with her because I felt it was achievable given the amount of time I am able to give to this game outside my real life commitments. Now, after 300 hours or so with my derv, I shuold get it. Now, if A/net comes out and obliterates 3 of my max titles that I poured days of my life into thinking I was going to reach a personal goal, I will not be happy. (I know, I know...boo hoo for me)

Bottom line is for me life is about milestones, and in this game I made a goal and thought I reached it. To change the rules of the game will honestly put me off as a member of this community. Not saying A/net doesn't have the right, I signed the EULA and if this is what they think is best for the communtiy as a whole, fine, but as a husband, father, and work professional, it would disappoint me since I can only give so much time to this game. There are now three levels of the aggregate title and KoaBD is just the first. I think they should leave this as it is so that players like me feel they have a chance to reach one of them. Now, I know hard core gamer will probably disagree, and hell 10 years ago when my situation was different I may have too, but this is my reality and felt I needed to share it. For those that think KoaBD is too easy to get, then you go spend the gold and do the 50+ missions over again in hard mode to get people know me instead and leave KoaBD for us "lazy people" that feel 300 hours already invested in a goal should be enough.

I personally hope that when they do add hard mode that it is a seperate title track for the existing campaigns, or they make it so that Protector counts once towards the aggregate track and getting the guardian counts twice. Hell, even if they grandfather the people already with the title I could live with that. I just think it is bad form to take something away that people achieved through legitimate means and effort.

In the end, this is probably not something that will push me away from the game, after all it is just a title and I still love this game. If they do nuke the protector title though, I will probably NEVER attempt to get another title so as not to be disppointed again.

/end rant (sorry for the length, my fingers just kept going...)

Diablo™ · Feb 16, 2007, 07:34 PM // 19:34

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Originally Posted by -Loki-

Hard mode Gate of Madness... I can't wait for the complaints.

We'll have to fight 3 Shrio's at the same time with a constant -10 hp degen and falling debris.

Kook~NBK~ · Feb 17, 2007, 07:26 AM // 07:26

I talked to my guildie today. He hadn't completed Protector Title for Nightfall before the update. He got the Protector title last night and it DOES count towards KoaBD. So, there's a sigh of relief!!!